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Just. |
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This is Christopher in gold XO d2. |
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It is eight degrees in my theatre at the moment. |
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I'm not sure if you can do anything about that, |
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but I do think that certainly if we work the |
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incredible work rate in the. |
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Thank you for joining me. |
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It's a I grew up in a very home country, |
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Australia, and I don't think I saw snow until I |
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was in my mid-twenties. |
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So for me, it's still awe inspiring to walk through |
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a white snow field. |
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So I hope you enjoyed your journey. |
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And today I am in my place. |
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But yeah, I'm here. |
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This is behaviourism. |
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Yeah, I. |
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My brain is frozen. |
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I just. |
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I hope that's not on, but it's not going to |
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help us in the next hour, I'm afraid. |
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So thank you for joining me today. |
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It's really nice to see you all again. |
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I'm going to be talking about neurological disorders. |
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It's a little bit I mean, I have mixed feelings |
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about giving this lecture. |
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I always feel a little bit depressed. |
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But this year I tried to be a to alleviate |
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my depression a little bit by introducing a couple of |
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slides illustrating some very recent advances in treating these disorders, |
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which give me hope at least that we're entering a |
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period where we might be able to take these on |
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and generate cures, or at least treatments for people. |
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Sorry, my brain has actually frozen, so I'll try and |
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get through this if I put my jacket on. |
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Well, the problem is if I put my jacket on, |
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it rustles the volume. |
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But I see. |
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Why a neurological disorder is so problematic. |
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I think what you've learned so far in the course |
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should give you a bit of a cue to answering |
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this. |
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I think the major thing, the first major things, that |
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nerve cells are not self-renewing, but you're basically born with |
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the same number of nerve cells you end up with. |
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And you just lose them. |
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There's a few that are born maybe in the hippocampus |
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and the old factory lobe, but most of the neurones |
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that you have on you now are ones that you |
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were born with. |
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And that means that if one of them dies, you're |
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not going to get replaced. |
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The second thing is that neurones are excitable cells. |
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As we've talked a lot. |
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I like action potentials. |
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I do a lot of work to try and generate |
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these action potentials and I can actually be overexcited or |
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it's a bit of a loose term, but I can |
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this generating this activity can lead to disorder within the |
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cells. |
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So those cells, if they get overexcited, can actually trigger |
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apoptosis. |
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That is cell death. |
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Generating all this activity requires a lot of energy. |
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It requires a very specific way of getting and be |
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very, I think, by the way, in the brain of |
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getting the energy to the right part of the brain. |
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If we disorder that blood supply, energy supply as we |
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go through time. |
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Those neurones also form what we will call what we |
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have called recurrent circuit. |
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That is circuits where the axons from one cell connect |
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to the dendrite to another cell and vice versa and |
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so forth. |
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These are very exquisite connections that are both partly genetically |
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predetermined, but a lot of which is set up by |
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experience early in life and in later life. |
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Recapitulating those networks generated in those networks again, or putting |
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a neurone in that network and asking it to replace |
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the function of a new one that's already there. |
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That's effectively impossible. |
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You would have to recapitulate the experience that those neurones |
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have had to be able to regenerate that network. |
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So these for all these reasons, it's very difficult when |
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the brain starts to be disordered, so start to die. |
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Treating those disorders is really, really hard. |
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So in this lecture, I just want to take you |
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through a couple of different disorders that we know something |
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about. |
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And I've chosen these very carefully because there's many disorders |
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that we do not know much about at all. |
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In talking about these, I will be talking about disorders |
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are called intrinsic rather than extrinsic. |
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Extrinsic ones are ones like, for example, tumours being developing |
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in the brain. |
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By the way, since nerve cells and not the actual |
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part of the tumour because they don't replicate in the |
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same ways. |
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Extreme disorders also include traumatic brain injury. |
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For example, if you have a car accident or if |
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you get concussed many times as a footballer. |
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And those kinds of disorders are not a consideration here |
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because they're really just a result, not just the result |
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of things that the brain can't do much about. |
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So we want to talk a little bit about intrinsic |
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one, things that arise because of the particular structure of |
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the brain, because of the way the brain works. |
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I won't be talking about developmental brain abnormalities in this |
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particular lecture. |
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What I will be talking about is degenerative disorders, looking |
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at Alzheimer's disease in particular, and also epileptic seizures. |
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I'd like to start by talking about seizures. |
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Seizures? |
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Does anyone know much about seizures at all? |
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You come across them. |
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You may have seen someone having a seizure at some |
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point in time. |
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This is quite distressing experience. |
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I find it's a this is a cause that we'll |
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find out in. |
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The second is caused by overly synchronous brain activity, by |
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synchronous means that the neurones, the nerve cells are all |
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firing at the same time. |
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We'll see what the effect of that is in a |
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second. |
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About 3% of all people suffer from epilepsy at some |
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time in life, most commonly in childhood or older age. |
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I think it's not unexpected because that's the time at |
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which the brain is changing most and therefore the balance |
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that is required to prevent seizures, it's most likely to |
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be disordered. |
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At least 30% of athletic facilities have some known genetic |
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basis, whereas about 25% have what we call acquired antecedents |
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that, for example, rheumatic brain injuries. |
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So professor of epilepsy, a friend of mine, has suffered |
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from epilepsy since he had a bike accident 20 years |
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ago, and he's under treatment for it. |
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But it's still something that affects his life. |
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You know that that doesn't add up 100%. |
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And the other 50% of their bounce that the causes |
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are known either because there was inadequate record taking at |
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the time or because they have a complex, multifactorial basis. |
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We know a lot about seizures since the development of |
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electroencephalogram, ability to measure the activity of the brain from |
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the scalp. |
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On the left hand side to see what would look |
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like a normal EEG. |
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And is the traces in the brain due to the |
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electronic wiggle a little bit that they're not overly wiggly |
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and they're not overly synchronised between different electrodes. |
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Two types of seizures as shown on the right here. |
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The generalised seizure here, which would be part of a |
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grand mal seizure. |
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It means that the activity in the brain is synchronised, |
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basically causing time brain. |
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And you can see that here because the big wiggles |
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on the on the electron system, grandma all happen at |
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the same time. |
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That means that neurones in each part of the brain |
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that is generating these EEG signals are firing together at |
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the same time in big discharge bursts of discharge synchronising |
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their activity. |
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Of more interest from a psychological perspective really is the |
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partial seizures, which is shown in the middle here. |
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And that is where some parts of the brain start |
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to synchronise and other bits seem to be untarnished. |
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We'll be going into that in a second. |
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We've touched a little bit on brain rhythms over the |
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course of these lectures. |
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Rhythms are effectively a natural part of any biological system. |
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Can anyone tell me one rhythm you can think of? |
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Circadian rhythm. |
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That's a daily rhythm in trained by light, but actually |
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set by pacemaker cells or cells within this whole area |
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of the brain. |
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Probably the super charismatic nucleus whose activity varies with over |
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about a 25 hour cycle. |
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I think if you take if you if you take |
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someone and put them in or if you take an |
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animal and put them in the constant dark, you'll see |
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they still have a circadian rhythm, but it's not quite |
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locked to the 24 hour clock. |
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That's that locking comes from exposure to light, which resets |
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that pacemaker. |
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Is there any other rhythms that you can think of? |
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What am I doing right now? |
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Well, that's a good one as well. |
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But that's not a that's actually set by within within |
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the heart pacemaker activity in the heart. |
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What am I doing? |
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What are most of us all doing? |
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We're all breathing, right? |
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The breathing is also a rhythm that's set by the |
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pacemaker cells and a loop part of the brainstem. |
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I do fact reports, and if I remember rightly, these |
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activity pulsates, of course, can be modulated. |
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They can be fast and be slow. |
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Hold your breath. |
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It normally would act to inflate the diaphragm. |
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These kinds of brain rhythms are those are those are |
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the properties really of individual cells, or at least there's |
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cycles or rhythms within those individual cells. |
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The kind of rhythms that get disordered in seizures, though, |
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are not really properties of individual cells, but properties of |
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networks of cells. |
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So what happens is that when you have excitatory cells |
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talking to each other and then feeding back to each |
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other, and if you have inhibitory cells helping set that. |
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These cells. |
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When you fire an action, potentially send it to another |
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one and that fires an action potential and sends it |
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back to you. |
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That creates a loop and that creates a natural rhythm |
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from that circuit. |
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And so depending on the structure of the circuit, you |
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get different archetypal rhythms emerging. |
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So this slide here shows you three of the classic |
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rhythms, the alpha rhythm, the spindle rhythm and the ripple. |
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They found, or at least are most prominent in particular |
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brain regions, and they are the result of particular pathways |
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for communication between brain regions. |
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So, for example, the rhythm, which is most prominent actually |
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in the visual cortex at the back of the brain, |
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is primarily a cortical rhythm. |
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It's about 12 hertz. |
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The really prominent rhythm. |
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It's much stronger when your eyes are closed, when your |
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eyes are open. |
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A spindle rhythm is about the interaction between the thalamus |
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and the cortex. |
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So neurones in the thalamus send signals to the cortex |
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to send signals back to the thalamus. |
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And this loop itself, which is responsible for a large |
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part of slow wave sleep, also generates what's called spindle |
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rhythms. |
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And then these ripple rhythms are the communication between cells |
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within the hippocampus, which generate a very sharp, very fast |
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rhythm. |
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You can see the timescale here is 100 milliseconds as |
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opposed to one second here. |
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So this slide also shows this seems to show that |
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these rhythms are not just a product of something found |
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in humans. |
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They're actually found in almost all species that have been |
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studied. |
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In fact, all species that have been studied. |
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You can identify these rhythms if you look in the |
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right place and search hard enough. |
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So in humans, in non-human primates, in dogs, cats, bats, |
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rabbits, rodents. |
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In other words, you can find these are rhythms. |
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And it is quite striking that if you look at |
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the frequency, that is the number of cycles per second |
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that these rhythms take place over. |
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As I said, Alpha was about 12 hertz or 12 |
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times per second. |
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So 12 of these little squiggles per second and the |
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ripple is about 250 hertz. |
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If you look across a large range of species, you |
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find that the rhythms in each of those species are |
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about the same frequency, even though their brains can vary |
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in orders of magnitude of number of neurones and all |
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of the magnitude and numbers of signs. |
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And that suggests to us that these rhythms are important |
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for brain function. |
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What they do is not so clear. |
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So there's many hypotheses out there, for example, in camera |
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rhythms, very fast rhythms, about 30 or 50 hertz are |
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important for consciousness and for propagation of signals between cortical |
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areas. |
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Yet there is very little hard evidence that they are |
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necessary for that those activities. |
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So, yes. |
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You can't. |
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I think it's just been not studied there. |
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I'm not sure if it's not present. |
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I'd be willing to know. |
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I haven't studied all of those animals. |
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It's you do have to report them in particular ways |
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and in particular circumstances. |
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For example, slow way rhythms or any form during sleep. |
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And so you have to be recording from an animal |
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during sleep. |
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So I'm not quite sure if they're missing on this |
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one a bit older. |
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So if they're missing because they're absent or missing just |
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because I haven't studied, it's a good question. |
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So these rhythms of what is disordered and what a |
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what prominent about seizure disorders. |
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This slide just simply classifies the general types of seizures. |
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We're not going to be talking about the grand mal |
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seizures, these massive changes to the brain function. |
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However, what I would like to go through a little |
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bit is partial seizures, because they tell they're explicit explicable |
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going from the structure of the brain. |
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Possible seizures can be either simple or complex. |
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Complex partial seizures results in a second often involved impairment |
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or loss of consciousness, or a simple partial seizures. |
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A person who suffering a seizure suffers no loss of |
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consciousness during the. |
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This slide, which is a little bit busy here, but |
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you can look at in more detail when you feel |
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like it. |
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On the top left is a description of some of |
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the features of a complex partial seizure. |
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On the bottom right, a simple partial seizure. |
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Partial seizure complex Partial seizures often start in the temporal |
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lobe or in the frontal cortex. |
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And maybe that's why they're actually associated often with a |
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loss of consciousness, or at least an impairment of consciousness. |
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The squiggles over here show that the frontal and temple |
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ones are undergoing large amplified rhythms, whereas the simple ones |
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are not so prominent. |
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In this process. |
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He's a simple, partial Caesar here, however, usually involving the |
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sensory with the motor cortices. |
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You can see here that over a typical and a |
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little bit the motor cortex, some big spikes, but not |
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so much in the frontal and temporal lobes. |
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So simple procedures often involve motor disturbances, for example, tremor |
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that emerge because your motor cortex is being disordered and |
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cortex is oscillating in a rhythmic fashion. |
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So your muscles will be oscillating in a rhythmic fashion. |
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And simple procedures are quite interesting because we can because |
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someone is conscious and because they're not too problematic, we |
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can actually track their progression through the cortical structures. |
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So, for example, I really like this description, and I |
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should know, by the way, that John Huling Jackson, who |
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you go introduce you to back in the first lecture |
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I think was based in Queens where when he made |
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these discoveries was the one who proposed that the progression |
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of simple partial seizures reflected the structure of the brain |
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organisation. |
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It's a nice description of what might be a typical |
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seizure. |
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Is on his right foot, began to shake. |
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Now a lower leg was shaking than a proper leg |
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as well. |
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With horrified fascination, she felt her body begin to shake |
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and reason with her leg. |
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Is shaking slowed and then finally stopped. |
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This is a real case. |
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A CT scan showed a small white circled spot between |
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the frontal lobes above the corpus place and a small |
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tumour. |
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This woman had a simple procedure that actually progressed to |
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a complex seizure. |
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Sometime later. |
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So this little tumour that emerged in the brain was |
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up here between the two lobes at the very top |
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of the motor cortex. |
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If you remember back to the monthlies that we looked |
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at when we talked about sensorimotor cortices, the progression of |
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disease or progression of the disturbances make sense from the |
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structure that most of us. |
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A foot is represented at the top of the brain, |
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near the open close, and the tongue, the face and |
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head emphasised. |
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So is the progression of that seizure of that epileptic |
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form activity move across the cortical surface? |
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So the shaking in different parts of the body reflected |
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that among the organisation. |
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This makes sense for everyone. |
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This simple partial CS is effectively a travelling wave starting |
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from a particular point and moving across the surface of |
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the cortex. |
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Gradually recruiting different parts of the body that represent or |
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control the muscles in particular parts of the body. |
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Some, as I mentioned before, some seizures seem to be |
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familial, inherited. |
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I've learned quite a lot about them by studying rare |
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cases of one of the psychotic twins and looking at |
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the seizures that they sometimes have. |
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This is one famous example. |
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This is a pair of Monozygotic twins, Constance and Catherine, |
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who have absence epilepsy in this case. |
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What I want you to take away from this is |
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electroencephalogram recordings taken from Constance and Catherine, I think at |
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different times. |
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Or you should notice the structure of the epileptic form |
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discharges that are happening on these EEG channels are remarkably |
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similar across the two twins. |
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So over here, these these structures, these regions are very |
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similar over here and so forth. |
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So the structure of the seizures that they're having seems |
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to be very similar, seem to have the genetic basis |
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should be identifiable and seem to control the seizures that |
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they're having. |
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Indeed, if we actually look across a large number of |
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cohort studies and trends, we find a large piecewise concordance |
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between those two things. |
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In generalised epilepsies, about 80% of the variance is explained |
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and even in focal epilepsies, about 40% of the variance |
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is explained. |
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This case was concordance goes down substantially if you look |
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at guys iconic twins rather than monozygotic twins. |
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So there's something particular about some of the genes in |
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these individuals that is disrupted. |
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And remember, back to the first couple of lectures we |
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had when we talked about the presence of ion channels |
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in the membranes of nerve cells, it should make sense. |
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A lot of these disorders are the disorder of specific |
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kinds of ion channels that are important in regulating neuronal |
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excitability, particularly sodium channels and potassium channels. |
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These channels get disordered and therefore the normal structure of |
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new activity is disrupted and the cells or the circuits |
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that they are part of become susceptible to the possibility |
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of being pushed into regimes where they become epileptic form. |
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Remember, this letter form activity is not just an individual, |
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so rhythmically discharging its spiking activity across a network of |
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nerve cells, hundreds of thousands of cells, it suddenly becomes |
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entrained makes this reverberant circuit of activity. |
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So normally the activity of really cold, only the activity |
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of the brain is sufficient to suppress the epileptic form |
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discharge. |
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But in people with these channel up with these, as |
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they called that activity, is that the normal ways of |
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controlling these these activity, stopping neurones from getting hyper excitable |
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is disrupted and these people are therefore susceptible to seizures. |
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She'll also say that you can actually many people are |
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also sensitive to what's called photosensitive epilepsy. |
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You're probably all aware of those trigger warnings that come |
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up often between newspaper. |
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News reports on the TV saying there will be flash |
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photography in the upcoming segment. |
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And the reason those trigger warnings are there is because |
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if you have sensitive epilepsy, you can be susceptible. |
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You can be induced to have a seizure response seizure |
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anyway by the presence of that flickering light from the |
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flash photography. |
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It's not exactly clear how or why this this works, |
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why the light entering the eye in trains, rhythms in |
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the brain, therefore causes his epileptic seizures. |
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But about 3% of people suffering from epileptic seizures have |
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this sort of sensitive epilepsy, generally triggered by lights of |
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flicker and about 15 to 25 frames per second. |
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Close to the aphorism that we mentioned over visual cortex, |
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and maybe that's got something to do with it. |
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We just don't know. |
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And can be triggered by ceiling fan, strobe strobe lights, |
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etc. for anything that makes this rhythmic on 15 to |
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20 times per second. |
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Visual image. |
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The following statement I leave you because I don't actually |
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really understand. |
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I wrote it down because I remember this happening. |
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But who hears what's spoken on? |
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Are too ashamed to admit? |
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Or are you just too old to have done that? |
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Apparently. |
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Apparently, I've never worked for one in my life. |
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The 38 episode broadcast on 64th December 1997, includes a |
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scene where Ash, Ashes and his friends need to go |
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inside the pokey for whatever that is through any device. |
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I remember when it happened, I remember it being a |
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big news story across the world, presumably because a lot |
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of people watching Pokemon on that stage, I suppose very |
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few of you actually born then. |
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But what happened in this thing was the repetitive red, |
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the blue flicker about five times per second, which ash |
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was presumably seen and which was transmitted through the TV |
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screens and induced about 600 to 700 people to have |
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to go to hospital for photosensitive epilepsy in Japan at |
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the time. |
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So this is the reason that we have these trigger |
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warnings when we see flash photography and the people making |
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TV and movies now much more aware of the possibility |
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for sensitive epilepsy. |
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I want to show you some recent progress actually from |
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Queen Square. |
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Again, just as John Houston's Jackson, some from whatever, years |
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ago. |
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This is work from a group of people at a |
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very large epilepsy research group at the Queen Square Institute |
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of Neurology. |
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I think this is a really interesting and important innovation. |
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I'll take you through. |
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It came out earlier this year. |
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It also speaks a little bit to some of the |
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noise that you've picked up over the last few weeks. |
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The underlying thought from these researchers was the following. |
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Epileptic activity is this increase in discharge above the normal |
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rate in nerve cells? |
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It follows that that increase in discharge triggers some processes, |
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interestingly, that we might be able to tap into. |
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In particular, this thing called IED or immediate. |
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Early gene is something we've known for about 25 years |
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now that when neurones become more active than normal, that |
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triggers this expression of this thing called IED. |
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We don't know exactly what it's doing, but we know |
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it gets expressed. |
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And these researchers have the idea. |
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All right, We know that this stuff only gets expressed |
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in these regimes of very heightened activity. |
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So if we can introduce a construct into the cells |
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that are sensitive to the expression of those immediate early |
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genes, we might be able to turn down the activity |
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in the cells that have been over activated. |
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And so they introduced what's called a form of potassium |
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channel that actually decreases neuronal excitability and whose expression expression |
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of this protein was linked to the expression of this |
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immediate early gene. |
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So when an epileptic discharge starts, the hypothesis is that |
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when they discharge start, that increases neural activity, which in |
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turn drives the production of this immediate early gene. |
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That immediate early gene production in turn drives the production |
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of this novel protein that they've been able to introduce |
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into the cells by means of a virus is otherwise |
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not destructive to the cells. |
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And then that that expression of that protein in turn |
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will drive down the activity and stop the seizure. |
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That was a hypothesis they wanted to explore. |
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And the work that I published earlier this year suggests |
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that this is true and might be a mechanism for |
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actually treating fungal epilepsies, at least in some patients. |
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To do this, they induced in a mouse model to |
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test this hypothesis because epilepsy is a product of brain |
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networks and not easily reproduced and induced, although they did |
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do work in vivo before doing this in vivo working |
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mouse they induced. |
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There's a standard model of generating epilepsy in mice. |
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In mice don't suffer too much from this. |
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They do get seizures, but this doesn't seem to cause |
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much pain or distress. |
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After after these seizures were induced, they then measured the |
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electrical activity by an electrical program electrode placed on the |
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brain. |
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And they injected these viruses into the parts of the |
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brain where the seizures were occurring. |
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So if they inject this far in the brain, they |
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can then compare the reduction of seizures in the mice |
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that have been treated with the control virus or this |
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virus that produces this particular protein. |
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And sure enough, they find it was in the control |
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virus conditions. |
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Mice continued to have seizures as each of these little |
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batches shows over the course of several weeks at a |
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time of a seizure. |
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They're recording continuously, by the way, from the animals. |
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They find that in these animals treated with the active |
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form of the virus, that those ones are stopping the |
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seizures. |
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So this opens up the possibility that we might be |
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able to inject into people who are having intractable epileptic |
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seizures, at least focal seizures. |
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We start from particular part of the brain. |
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We can inject into that part of the brain some |
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virus that expresses a protein like this, but then in |
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turn allows that part of the brain to effectively control |
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production of epileptic discharges. |
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I showed. |
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In other words, that I'm not showing here, they showed |
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that the presence of this virus in doesn't interfere with |
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normal behaviour, but only really with epileptic seizures. |
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They're really important and encouraging evidence because people with intractable |
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epilepsy at the moment, the sole way of trying to |
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address the seizures is to try and excise from the |
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|
brain a little bit of brain tissue to generate the |
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|
seizure. |
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So instead of taking out that piece of brain tissue, |
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|
the hope is that we can use a virus that's |
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otherwise safe but allows the neurones to suppress the epileptic |
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discharge. |
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A really important advance from my colleagues over Queensway. |
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So remember with a simple partial seizures which spread from |
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|
a part of the brain down to another, therefore causing |
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trembling and different things that focal because they start at |
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|
a particular point and then they spread like a travelling |
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|
wave across the brain, as opposed to generalised epilepsy, which |
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|
is a large. |
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Synchronisation of brain activity across the entire brain. |
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|
So this focus on start at particular point and spread. |
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And because I started at the point you can actually |
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|
introduce a virus at that particular point I should have |
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said that those focal partial seizures, they start from a |
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|
reproducible place in the person's brain. |
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|
It's not like they start from different places on different |
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|
seasons. |
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They start from the same place each time and spread |
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across the brain from that same place. |
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So because the you can then introduce this virus and |
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try to. |
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See this as an end or partial. |
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Or is are there like an off? |
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I don't think there are. |
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I think they have to be focal otherwise that generalised. |
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I don't know whether or not the size of that |
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focus could be quite variable. |
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I have a friend who studies epilepsy epileptic patients in |
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|
Australia. |
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|
He actually a lot of people, as you may know, |
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|
a lot of people that have epilepsy have aura associated |
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|
with a preceding the epileptic discharge. |
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|
And often this aura has structure a bit like the |
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|
migraine has associated with migraine has structure and can actually |
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|
because of that, people know when they're about to have |
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|
or at least some time before they're about to have |
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|
an electrical seizure. |
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|
And my friend has been studying those people by putting |
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|
them in a brain scanner during the seizure, actually. |
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|
These are at least four seizures, partial seizures, which don't |
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|
have massive consequences for the individuals. |
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|
And you can see the progression of this activity in |
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|
the brain during during scanning. |
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|
Okay, So that's I just want to take through the |
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|
seizures that clear result really of probably of mainly of |
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|
channel opposites all these disorders of ion channels that regulate |
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|
the normal excitability of neurones. |
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|
The hope is that we can try and treat these |
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|
by effectively resurrecting that normal control of those ion channels. |
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|
Seizures are fairly rare and we're going to make a |
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|
lot of progress in trying to deal with them. |
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|
Other disorders were made much less progress, and one of |
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|
the most prominent is Alzheimer's disease, a form of dementia |
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|
which is increasingly prevalent. |
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|
So there's actually many different types of dementias. |
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|
My grandmother had Alzheimer's disease. |
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|
Many people's grandparents, I suspect, or even parents will be |
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|
suffering from Alzheimer's disease or related dementia. |
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|
Alzheimer's disease is by far the largest, most common occurrence. |
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|
How? |
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|
How well it can be distinguished from other types of |
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|
dementia is still a matter of debate. |
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|
These dementias have common causes. |
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|
It's still quite. |
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|
Another common form of dementia is vascular dementia. |
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|
That's where three years old strokes, which then allow a |
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|
little bit of blood in parts of the brain, turn |
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|
triggers the brain to start self-destruction basically in that area. |
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|
You can get dementia from having many of these multiple |
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|
little strokes, which then have an impact on brain function. |
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|
There's also much less common forms of dementia which have |
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|
been important, like the one those iconic twins with seizure |
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|
disorders. |
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|
Those common those rare forms of dementia have been very |
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|
important to understanding the potential mechanisms of dementia, because we |
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|
can look at some of the genetic contributions of those. |
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|
This includes frontotemporal dementia, Pick's disease course for Jakob Disease, |
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|
Huntington's disease, Parkinson's dementia and Lewy body disease. |
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|
Many of these diseases have other effects as well. |
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|
Dementia is a part of the condition, not necessarily the |
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|
entire condition. |
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|
I got this line from This is the last World |
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|
Report from the World from the Outside Disease Foundation. |
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|
This just goes to show you the kind of prevalence |
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|
of Alzheimer's disease now and predicted prevalence in the future. |
|
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|
About one person around the world becomes diagnosed with dementia |
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|
|
every 3 seconds. |
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|
In 2015, there are already 50 million people in the |
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|
world who suffering from dementia is projected to be triple |
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|
that in 2050. |
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|
It's a huge we spend a large amount of resources |
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|
that we produce treating people with dementia. |
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|
And it's a worldwide phenomenon in particular as life expectancy |
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|
increases in the global south. |
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|
Dementia is becoming more and more prevalent there as well |
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|
and has to date being primarily a ritual disease because |
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|
life expectancy is longer in those parts of the world |
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|
and Alzheimer's disease or other dimensions. |
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|
And we strike older people. |
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|
I think the current ratio is something like 20% of |
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|
people over the age of 18 will have Alzheimer's disease |
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|
or dementia before they die. |
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|
The number is much less for people over 65. |
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|
So as as life expectancy increases, as more and more |
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|
people live over the age of 80, respect dementia, profound |
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|
increase around the world. |
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|
It's hard for those of us who don't have dementia |
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|
to gain some insight into what it feels like, what |
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|
it is like to suffer from dementia. |
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|
I find this William Autumn Olin's. |
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|
Ought to be at least one attempted insight into that. |
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|
He was diagnosed with the Alzheimer's disease in 1995. |
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|
He actually lived a bit longer than most people who |
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|
suffer from Alzheimer's disease. |
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|
And he was able as an artist to try and |
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|
describe some of the. |
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|
Changes in his cognition as he developed Alzheimer's disease, or |
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|
at least in the first few years. |
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|
This is the first portrait he made when he was |
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|
diagnosed, actually a man untethered, someone lost in the world. |
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|
As dementia progressed, as his disorder progressed, his his art |
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|
takes on particular forms. |
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|
You can see that he's a very accomplished artist, very |
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|
capable of generating self-portraits. |
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|
Back in 1996, in this case, when he's only a |
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|
year or so after the diagnosis. |
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|
What I hope you notice is that the structure of |
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|
these images changes substantially over the next five years. |
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|
There's a lot of death, lots of structure. |
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|
There's a changing affect. |
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|
There's capacity to see and to feel is changing fairly |
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|
quickly over these several years. |
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|
And really having a disorder of both his representation of |
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|
the world, but also his internal representation of himself. |
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|
Alzheimer's disease is named after Alois Alzheimer, who was an |
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|
Austrian neuropathologist at the turn of the last century. |
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|
He made his discoveries by studying data. |
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|
Peter Peter, who was one of the unfortunate people who |
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|
suffered early onset Alzheimer's disease. |
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|
She was only about 50 when she was taken to |
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|
his unit by her husband, who was a railway worker, |
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|
needed to, couldn't take care of her anymore, and needed |
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|
someone else to take care of her and outside to |
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|
work with her while she was alive and asked her |
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|
questions and so forth. |
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|
And then when she died in, I think, 1986 and |
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|
performed histopathology on her brain afterwards to see what had |
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|
happened to her brain. |
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|
And that might be part of the disorder that he |
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|
recognised or witnessed in her cognition. |
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|
The first thing she said basically when she met him |
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|
was that he had lost her so that his wasn't |
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|
able to remember who she was, why she was there, |
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|
etc.. |
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|
You remember something? |
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|
What is your name? |
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|
Augusta. |
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|
What's her last name? |
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Augusta. |
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|
Struggling to try and find the elements of her memory |
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|
that she could bring to bear to the questions asked. |
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|
But she wasn't capable, really, even when he saw her |
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|
when she was 50. |
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|
Of doing much in life anymore. |
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|
And Alzheimer's disease is a very rapid progressive disease. |
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|
On average is about eight years. |
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|
This is increasing now as our treatments have improved, but |
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|
on average about eight years from diagnosis to death. |
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|
That's a very rapid. |
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|
And for those who suffer a debilitating and disorienting disorder. |
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|
One. |
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|
One way of thinking about Alzheimer's disease is that it's |
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|
a be like development in reverse. |
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|
So, for example, if you think about how we develop |
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|
over our normal life. |
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|
And I think we can hold up ahead off the |
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|
one, two, three months. |
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|
We can speak a word after year. |
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We can write sentences. |
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|
After about 18 months, we can control and our defaecation |
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and urine. |
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|
After a couple of years, we can shower unaided. |
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|
After four or five years, we can handle simple finances. |
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|
After about ten years of age and hold it over |
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|
for about 12. |
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|
And if you look at the progression of the Alzheimer's |
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|
disorders like this in reverse, you first lose your capacity |
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|
to hold a job with the capacity to handle your |
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|
finances, to dress yourself, to actually out of words, and |
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|
finally to actually do most of the functions that we |
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|
take for granted. |
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|
So this is an idea that Alzheimer's disease is a |
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|
bit like Retford genesis or development in reverse. |
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|
So you probably have seen pictures like this before. |
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|
This is a gross pathology of an Alzheimer's disease patient. |
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|
On the left is a healthy brain. |
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|
On the right is someone with advanced Alzheimer's. |
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|
You can see the substantial thinning of the grey matter |
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|
in the cortex as a large enlargement of the ventricles, |
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|
in this case of very severe hippocampal damage, losing much |
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|
of the hippocampus and therefore very much of our capacity |
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|
for memory. |
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|
On a microscopic level. |
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|
This is what Alzheimer found 120 years ago as two |
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major features that still remain prominent in our understanding of |
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Alzheimer's disease. |
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The first is that there are these things called senile |
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plaques, which are these things about anywhere between about 1/10 |
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and one half of a millimetre in size. |
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Sometimes you can see them on unaided with the naked |
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eye. |
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And these are little disruptions of the brain structure, which |
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are filled with a protein called amyloid beta. |
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And on the right here is the other aspect of |
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pathology that seems to be very prominent people with Alzheimer's |
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disease. |
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That's what's called neurofibrillary tangles. |
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These are basically disordered conglomerations of a protein called Tao |
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Utown, which has a large number of roles in regulating, |
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especially transport of substances to the cell. |
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And there's a lot they organise into long filaments and |
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somehow they start that filaments start breaking down and start |
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breaking into what we call tangles. |
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So these Tao and Amyloid are the two major proteins |
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associated with Alzheimer's disease. |
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Yeah. |
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Does it look like it? |
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Absolutely. |
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Yeah. |
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It's one of the more fundamental proteins in ourselves. |
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So now the question was, is Tao normally present or |
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is it just present in in Alzheimer's disease brains? |
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It is normally present. |
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It's because of a particular. |
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Way of how it interacts with other molecules of Tao. |
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If this gets disordered, it starts to out of the |
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solution and form these tangles. |
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And so in Alzheimer's disease is proteins get slightly disordered. |
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They get called hyper phosphorylated. |
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Once they are hyper phosphorylated, they can come out of |
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the solution form these tangles or neurofibrillary tangles within the |
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cell. |
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This slide here shows the kind of progression of these |
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two different proteins, amyloid and TAL, as a function of |
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time in the progression of Alzheimer's disease. |
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It's hypothesised, it's not yet clear that there's not a |
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huge amount of evidence for it. |
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The amyloid first is causal. |
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But certainly the case that amyloid emerges early on in |
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dementia, followed by TAL and then after that followed by |
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neurodegeneration loss of cells and sinuses, and after that followed |
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by cognitive decline. |
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The cognitive decline is probably paralleling the loss of self |
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and finances, in fact, may even be emerging earlier. |
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But the overt signs of cognitive decline happened late on |
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in the season. |
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The consequence of that means is that by the time |
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you know that someone is suffering from dementia, from a |
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cognitive perspective, it's already too late. |
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Basically, our brain is very capable of making up things |
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for ourselves and hiding the fact that it's losing its |
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function. |
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And by the time we find that someone is demented, |
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that his pathological calmness, not to mention already too far |
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gone to do much about it. |
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We actually know surprisingly little about how amyloid and tal |
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affect brain function. |
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One of the reasons for this is it's actually been |
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surprisingly difficult to generate animal models of Alzheimer's disease. |
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It's not completely clear why this is. |
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We can certainly generate animal models where we introduce mutated |
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forms of amyloid or mutated forms of cow that have |
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been mutations for which have been deduced from people who |
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suffer from Alzheimer's disease. |
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And we can see that those things can lead to |
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the formation of plants and the formation of these neurofibrillary |
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tangles. |
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Often they do not lead to neurodegeneration and they only |
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have mild effects on the cognitive performance of these animals. |
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So why it is that it seems to be more |
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the case in humans and so hard to generate these |
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animal models of it is unclear. |
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But the consequence of that is that we actually know |
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precious little about the functional aspects of neurodegeneration. |
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However, we do know a little bit. |
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Whereas in the control condition here, these neurones are healthy |
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of normal neuronal activity. |
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This, by the way, is from a view from a |
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Bush who is in the Dementia Research Institute. |
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He's based. |
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100 metres away in the old building. |
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No critical building site. |
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Mark is a very prominent researcher in this field. |
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We've also joined in the last little while. |
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Be sorry when this app. |
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This is a particular precursor to more don't worry too |
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much about this is basically in animals who have this |
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overproduction of amyloid beta and stand on these plaques. |
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We often find hyperactivity increased activity in the brain. |
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Later on when that android over production is joined by |
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talent misfolding, we find a reduction in activity. |
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It seems to be the case that this stage of |
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the amyloid production stage. |
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We can still rescue some of these phenotypes in mice, |
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whereas once the towers joined the amyloid and started leading |
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to hyperactivity, this phenotype seems to be incapable of being |
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rescued. |
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But it's still very early days to. |
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So what do you mean by that? |
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Is that you can rescue brain function. |
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Yeah. |
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Okay. |
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Sorry. |
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All right. |
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Just use the word phenotype. |
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And unfortunately, you can rescue brain function. |
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That is, if you stop the production of amyloid, you |
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can get cells back into the normal healthy state and |
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stop degeneration. |
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If you if you leave it later than that, you |
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get to a stage where you can't seem to stop |
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this process. |
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In humans. |
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We know quite a lot about the progression of Alzheimer's |
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disease and the and the pathology that's associated with it. |
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And in the large number of people that we see |
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in the clinic, Alzheimer's disease is started in the temporal |
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lobe, in the internal cortex or in the hip around |
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the hippocampal formation. |
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So starts this accumulation of talent and amyloid plaque starts |
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down here and then starts to spread across the rest |
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of the brain. |
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It's a fairly slow process. |
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Why is the temple open? |
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I'm sorry. |
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I just want to be see with my face and. |
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Do have a of. |
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Yeah, I think I believe the slide from this presentation, |
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but I think is there in your notes which is |
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an example where. |
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PET imaging, positron emission tomography imaging, which can be used |
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later to visualise the location of radio labelled proteins or |
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substances we can introduce using PET. |
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We can detect where this disordered amyloid or disordered pal |
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is and we can therefore look at the location of |
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those things in people. |
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So. |
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I think your next question would be why can we |
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therefore say, is this person starting to suffer from dementia |
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or something like that even before the cognitive symptoms emerge? |
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That we haven't progressed to that stage yet. |
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So we know that doing in people who are suffering |
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from Alzheimer's, dementia, that you can see this structure and |
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location of these disordered proteins. |
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But these proteins are present in normal brains as well. |
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And so in the early stages we can track it |
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and we can kind of post-hoc reconstruct that this has |
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happened. |
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But in terms of being a specific predictor of what |
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will happen in someone's brain. |
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We're still not at that stage, if that makes sense. |
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So we can see the presence of these proteins and |
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the possibility that someone might be more likely to suffer |
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from degeneration of dementia. |
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We can't say on an individual specific basis that you |
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will suffer from degeneration of dementia. |
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It's not at that kind of specificity at the moment, |
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but we can track those proteins at least with p |
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t, which is very invasive. |
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It's not something you can scale out to 150 million |
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people in the world, but it that way. |
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There is some hope, by the way, that and I |
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haven't put it here, but we are starting at the |
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moment. |
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Other techniques. |
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So, for example, the electroencephalogram, which, as I showed you, |
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is very important at picking up seizures. |
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Turns out there's very characteristic changes in that transfer ground |
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at some stages of Alzheimer's disease as well. |
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We'd like to think that maybe if we knew more |
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about the structure of the circuits involved, also what's happening |
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to the circuits involved? |
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Early stages, we might be able to find signatures of |
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that disorder even earlier on in patients and therefore be |
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able, since EEG is a very cheap, easy thing to |
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introduce, might be able to say have that in the |
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clinic somewhere and just somewhat construe brief EEG study or |
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something like that, four years age and see whether or |
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not they're easy activities, predicting that they might be at |
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risk of these diseases, whether we'll ever move to like |
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proper predictive, I'm not sure. |
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But it might be able to pick up some people |
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from these methods. |
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If you look at the stages of Alzheimer's disease and |
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what you know of brain function, Hugo and I and |
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others have told you over the last few weeks that |
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the different stages of Alzheimer's disease make sense. |
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If it starting in the temporal cortex, then the first |
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stage is going to be hippocampal formation and final cortex. |
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We know that these areas are important in spatial navigation, |
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sexual orientation, and it's no surprise, therefore, to discover that |
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one of the first things to go in Alzheimer's disease |
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is your capacity to navigate around the world as the |
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disorder moves up through the brain. |
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This is just a schematic of that. |
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For example, in the prior two cortex that you start |
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to lose your visuospatial kind of organisation as we discuss |
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the consequence of neglect. |
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And as it moves more to say, the frontal cortex |
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and you start to lose your abstract reasoning capacity. |
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So the structure of the brain, a bit like those |
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focal seizures, it is travelling wave on a much faster |
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timescale, moving out across the brain. |
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So this kind of travelling wave disorder from the temporal |
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cortex to the rest of the brain has predictable cognitive |
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consequences. |
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I won't go through the news this time, but this |
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is the kind of exam that you might do in |
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the clinic to try and assess whether someone has dementia. |
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I encourage you to do it and particularly to try |
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and do it. |
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The Where is it? |
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Serial seventh task count back in seven for 100. |
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I sometimes think I have to mention when I do |
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this, I won't go through it now. |
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What I want. |
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And I also want to go through a couple of |
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these hypotheses just in time. |
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For a long time, we thought that some disruption to |
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the cognitive system was important in the pathogenesis of dementia. |
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It doesn't. |
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Well, it might well be important for treating that. |
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It doesn't seem to have much effect. |
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Studies are being made trying to treat the cognitive system |
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to see whether that has an impact on the occurrence |
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of dementia. |
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Very little progress has been made. |
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By studying rare familial cases of dementia, that is, people |
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who get early onset dementia. |
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These tend to be much more genetic link and sporadic |
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cases that occur later on in life. |
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And there are some clear genes that are involved, most |
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of which are related. |
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Most of the known genes are related to some part |
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of the amyloid pathway. |
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And John Hardy, who is at the Institute of Neurology, |
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is the one who's promoted the idea that amyloid is |
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important in the pathogenesis of Alzheimer's disease. |
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This is a slide, I think, from one of his |
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reviews, but this is his basic hypothesis that there's some |
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kind of change in how the brain metabolises and like |
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beta, which in turn leads to all the other steps |
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that cause degeneration and also the sort of power that |
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we know happens later on. |
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I won't go through these in any particular detail. |
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The point is that this changes in the amyloid beta |
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metabolism cause the the kinds of inflammation and injury to |
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nerve cells that we see later on in the disorder |
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and end up with dementia with plaque and have pathology. |
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Now, consequence of this hypothesis is that if you were |
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able to treat the amyloid beta early on, you might |
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be able to stop the rest of the cascade and |
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prevent or at least slow down degeneration. |
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And many of you may be aware of this study |
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from two weeks ago that came out among eight month |
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study in collaboration with pharmaceutical companies looking at antibody against |
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and why beta of people, family beta and immunising people |
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with that antibody and seeing whether or not it might |
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protect against Alzheimer's disease. |
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And this is a figure from that paper which is |
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cited down here and yet has a doesn't yet have |
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an issue number. |
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You can see that in placebo, there's no change in |
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employee burden. |
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There's when you immunise with this antibody, you get a |
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substantial reduction in amyloid burden in the brain. |
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The top one here. |
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This shows the the dementia score. |
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A person might take them to a clinic, but no |
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one here says one of the performance measures for cognition. |
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The yellow shows what's happening in patients who are being |
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treated with this antibody, and the blue shows a placebo. |
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And the fact that yellow line is above the blue |
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line means an improvement in performance in those people who |
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have taken the antibody over placebo. |
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So this is, I think, something like a 20% improvement |
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in cognition over this 18 month time period, which if |
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you're excited, is a great improvement. |
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If you're not excited, not much. |
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It all depends which side you see on the fence |
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there. |
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I think even the hottest proponents here would say this |
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is just the first step. |
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Being able to try and treat Alzheimer's disease. |
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It's certainly a long way to go. |
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And it shows it is potentially, theoretically possible to try |
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and stop Alzheimer's disease by blocking or interfering with this |
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amyloid beta process early on. |
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I'm aware that we need to shut up now. |
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I just want to in the last couple of slides, |
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just point out to you, we still don't know why |
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some people suffer from dementia and others don't. |
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What is it? |
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Is there a is it just solely divide by genetics? |
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Is it some kind of combination of genetics and environmental |
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factors? |
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What is actually the trigger for the start of degeneration |
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in those people who have identical genes? |
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There are several hypotheses about. |
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I've listened to them in in this. |
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At the end of this presentation you can go and |
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read about them and the references there as well. |
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The fundamental point at the end is that we don't |
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know why some people are suffering from dementia and why |
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others are not. |
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It does seem, though, the most obvious thing to do |
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for all of you and for me is that exercise, |
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for whatever reason, seems to slow down dementia or prevent |
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it. |
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So I can only encourage you to walk more, run |
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a bit, and exercise and have will also be here |
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in about 50 years time. |
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All right. |
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Thanks for listening. |
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Have a good week. |
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Hope you get the. |
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Still nine degrees. |
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As a coach I'm wondering about. |
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It's a good question. |
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Should. |
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That's a very good question. |
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I don't know what's happening, but what I do is |
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when I get back to October, I think, you know, |
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I'm. |
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I think in the limit you should be able to |
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be done over at the zoo. |
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But yeah. |
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That's a good question because my. |
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Sorry. |
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What's that? |
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You know what I'm saying? |
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Yeah. |
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You've got to let it go. |
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Tell me nothing. |
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Ever happened to you. |
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Three. |
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Yeah. |
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Yeah. |
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This is a component from the premise of migraine and. |
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So from whatever, I think migraine itself is a spreading |
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depression. |
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So it's kind of the opposite in terms. |
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Of so. |
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The reduction in activity. |
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I think it's. |
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Kind of spreading the or the seasonality is pretty significant. |
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So they're having different effects, but they're both spreading. |
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They seem to have some link. |
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And they're both chronic disorders of the normal people. |
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So I don't know why they should be doing that. |
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I think I just I know I, me, I oh, |
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I'm like always like that sort of interesting that you |
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look at the brain go away and it's like how |
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like ultimately or mean like sort of like blind spots |
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and then like, paralysis in the right hand spreading of |
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the right side. |
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Yeah. |
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Yeah. |
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Yeah. |
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So and it's I mean, it is interesting. |
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I know it's not to be treated as a patient |
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over these things, but it is actually fundamentally interesting for. |
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I remember seeing a. |
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Presentation. |
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A lot of people with migraine or or there's always |
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structured and ways the leading edge of people often has |
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these kind of it's clear answers. |
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Which is the hope was that actually one should be |
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able to correlate. |
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Kinds of special circumstances getting on with the part of |
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the visual cortex that was disrupted at the time. |
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So it was I believe the early visual cortex had |
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been disrupted. |
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Can you see things like. |
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Edges and stuff like that? |
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Whereas. |
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Like a bit of prudence. |
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Maybe you'd see something, for example. |
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I think that they hope to do that by. |
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Because it's such a subjective experience. |
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You have to be trying to ask people to map |
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out what you see or represent. |
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Mm hmm. |
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Mm hmm. |
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I don't know what is going to happen to. |
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Not very strongly, but there was a couple. |
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All right. |
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Just a quick question to you. |
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So do you get. |
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Partial processes. |
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Or do you mean that the neurones hiring, that's what's |
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being asked you, don't you just just that because all |
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of a sudden. |
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Yeah, it's a really interesting point. |
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You can kind of think of like this is one |
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way of thinking. |
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The brain is looking with a certain here. |
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And then that. |
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And so you get a little disruption here. |
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The net effect of an isolated incident. |
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Yes. |
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And you were talking to each. |
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Other over and over. |
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I saw you. |
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If you get disrupted this little circuit. |
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I said. |
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And then just to read this letter by something else. |
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And that's how and how we keep. |
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Says the student who was just here. |
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Not it's not clear when that is on. |
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At this stage, it doesn't seem like. |
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It seems like. |
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To start. |
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Either that or the disruption of. |
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To get something to. |
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And. |
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And if maybe it triggers. |
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So that's one possibility. |
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But this is too. |
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Important for him to tell what causing. |
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But I mean, I do think that. |
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It's very hard and it have to bear in mind |
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that these are within your own self. |
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So. |