KING: The combative White House political standoff with House Democrats comes as we do learn important new details of the events at the center of the Democrats' impeachment case. For example, CNN reporting last night that the President's Personal Attorney General Rudy Giuliani acted as de facto gatekeeper on Ukraine. And that President Trump told his Energy Secretary Rick Perry that he and two top State Department officials would have to convince Rudy before they could broker a meeting with Ukraine's new President. A source familiar with the May 23rd meeting between the President Perry and EU Ambassador Gordon Sondland and Ukraine Envoy Kurt Volker described the key take away this way, "If they can satisfy Rudy, they can satisfy the President". Asked last night on Fox News if he ever talked to Perry following that May meeting, Giuliani gave a non- answer.</s>INGRAHAM: Did you debrief him after the trip or before the trip?</s>GIULIANI: Not going to tell you my internal conversations. I talked to a lot of people. Not necessarily Rick, though.</s>KING: CNN's Michael Warren joins our conversation. We talk about the politics of the standoff the White House says it doesn't want to cooperate. As we get more information about what the Democrats say is the building blocks and abuse of power, a corruption case against the President, it is striking how many roads lead to Giuliani? How much the President essentially gave him the carte blanche to be the State Department or to oversee, or to be more important than the State Department in this issue?</s>MICHAEL WARREN, CNN REPORTER: Remember, this traces back to the whistleblower complaint. This was something central to the whistleblower complaint, that the people in the President's National Security Team were concerned about the big role that Giuliani was playing. Look, I think, we should also not forget that Rudy Giuliani wanted to be Secretary of State at the beginning of this administration. He made that very clear. In fact, he told CNN that recently, I wanted to be Secretary of State. He now had that opportunity and it really alarmed a lot of people sort of in the career level as well as even some of these political folks. But look, I think it's very interesting that--
Rudy Giuliani Won't Say if he Discussed Ukraine Meeting With Rick Perry.