BALDWIN: Former Navy Secretary Richard Spencer is speaking out in the wake of his firing and defending his actions in the case of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher. Gallagher was demoted after being acquitted of murder, but convicted of posing for a photo with a dead teenage ISIS fighter. But President Trump repeatedly intervened in this case, ultimately reversing the Navy's decision to demote Gallagher's rank. Spencer says the president's intervention presents a grave problem for this country.</s>RICHARD SPENCER, FORMER U.S. NAVY SECRETARY: What message does that send to the troops?</s>QUESTION: Well, what message does it send?</s>SPENCER: That you can get away with things. We have to have good order and discipline. It's the backbone of what we do. I don't think he really understands the full definition of a war fighter. A war fighter is a profession of arms. And a profession of arms has standards that they have to be held to and they hold themselves to.</s>BALDWIN: With me now, Richard Danzig. He served as Navy secretary under President Clinton. He also co-wrote an opinion piece for "The New York Times" with another Navy secretary under President George H.W. Bush. The headline was this: "We Led the Navy. Trump does not share the military's values." So, Mr. Secretary, a pleasure, sir. Welcome.</s>RICHARD DANZIG, FORMER U.S. NAVY SECRETARY: Thank you.</s>BALDWIN: The president tweeted today. And he said: "I will always protect our great war fighters. I have got your backs." Does he? And what do you make of the president's role in all of this?</s>DANZIG: Well, I think the president, in his zealous desire to determine a particular case, has lost sight of the whole military system and the concepts of honor and order and discipline that are fundamental. The idea of good order and discipline in the military depends on notions of procedure that are well-established of respect for a --
Interview With Former U.S. Navy Secretary Richard Danzig